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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
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 Posted - 26/04/2010 : 21:27:07
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Originally posted by MissCat
Just been told this via the dark side:(was diagnosed from the pictures I posted, so the vet may say different when he sees it in the flesh)
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your snake has scab neck...its a type of dermatitis...it infects the later under the scales...so actually the skin of the snake...and it kills the scales and turns them into scabs......its the reason for the colour change.
you need silver sulfadiazine to cure it....so your vets most likely to prescribe you flamazine for it
it is VERY difficult to diagnose anything without seeing the case in the flesh, that's why i'm quite reluctant in this (a not-straight-forward) case to offer too much advice as it could be the very wrong thing to do
i'm interested though MC who suggested Flamazine? not sure it's licensed in reps but can be prescribed under CASCADE.......... |
Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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MissCat
Fully Grown Royal
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Posted - 26/04/2010 : 21:31:20
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Originally posted by Gingerpony
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Originally posted by MissCat
Just been told this via the dark side:(was diagnosed from the pictures I posted, so the vet may say different when he sees it in the flesh)
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your snake has scab neck...its a type of dermatitis...it infects the later under the scales...so actually the skin of the snake...and it kills the scales and turns them into scabs......its the reason for the colour change.
you need silver sulfadiazine to cure it....so your vets most likely to prescribe you flamazine for it
it is VERY difficult to diagnose anything without seeing the case in the flesh, that's why i'm quite reluctant in this (a not-straight-forward) case to offer too much advice as it could be the very wrong thing to do
i'm interested though MS who suggested Flamazine? not sure it's licensed in reps but can be prescribed under CASCADE..........
I know it's a grey area to diagnose through pictures, but at least I can go to the vet and say "could it be...?" and see what he says.
It was WildlifeWarrior on the dark side who suggested flamazine :p |
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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
2663 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2010 : 21:42:18
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just to explain CASCADE - if a drug is licensed for use in one particular species only it CAN be used to treat the same condition in another species but only if the vet is aware it's commonplace to do so, then it CAN be prescribed.........you might need to sign a disclaimer saying it's being used 'off licence' though
a typical example is this is 'Metacam Cat' - licensed for use in cats ONLY but is often also prescribed for analgesia in rabbits (at a different dosage) though the risks of using a 'cat product' for a rabbit should be explained to the owner and the reasons why it's being prescribed, and the owner usually has to sign to say they understand those risks. |
Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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MissCat
Fully Grown Royal
1971 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2010 : 21:45:04
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| Much like the use of frontline for mite treatment then? |
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mischang
Yearling
United Kingdom
482 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2010 : 21:51:07
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| yes GP to every thing u said sorry am dyselxic hyro solution is a compound mixture of salt,sugars and rehydration mixes |
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MissCat
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Posted - 26/04/2010 : 22:34:05
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I'll let you all know tomorrow what the vet says.
Thanks for the kind words and advice :D xx |
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Kazerella
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 15:15:07
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| Any news Cat? |
 
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 16:02:18
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| Fingers crossed. |
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MissCat
Fully Grown Royal
1971 Posts |
Posted - 27/04/2010 : 16:23:40
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Okay, I'm back from the vets...not exactly much wiser...but anyways....
Long and short of it :
Vet says he's underweight (350g @ 10 months old feeding on jumbo mice every 5 days aside from the fact that he missed two feeds in january and another two feeds this month)
Said nothing about dehydration
Said belly scales are healthy
Said he's having a really bad shed and should bathe him daily in warm, plain water (i.e. not oil)
Advised me to move him to a larger vivarium and not a rub or faunarium
Advised me to ensure he gets fresh water daily (I do this anyway)
Advised me to up the temps by three degrees (this will make the hot end temp approx 37*c)
Said inside his mouth looked healthy
Said there was no mucus and no sign of retained shed in nostrils
Prescribed 10ml baytril oral 2.5% 100ml to be administered 0.1ml per day
Showed me how to administer the antibiotic
Drugs are to be given for the next 3-4 weeks- vet said hopefully he will have a healthy shed within this time.
Advised to feed as normal.
End total cost (for anyone who is interested):
Consultation fee: £17.57
Drugs: £6.05
VAT: £4.13
Total: £27.75
Overal I am happy, I just wish I could have had a little more insight into the skin issue as I am still worried about that...but the vet didn't seem too fussed
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 18:18:19
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| If the vet says he's healthy then what's the Baytril for? |
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mischang
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 18:33:58
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| that cost is brillant good luck with it all although you dont feel much wiser at least you know its not that bad because he would of said a lot more ! still not nice but am thinking of you x |
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MissCat
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 21:17:29
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If the vet says he's healthy then what's the Baytril for?
No idea, he said it didn't look like an R.I but that the breathing was an issue *confused face* |
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MissCat
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Posted - 27/04/2010 : 21:30:22
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| wonderful. If you are on teh dark side you should go read my thread there about this. I'm so confused and worried about him now :( |
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mischang
Yearling
United Kingdom
482 Posts |
Posted - 27/04/2010 : 21:35:44
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| wat is the dark side ? |
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spor
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 00:10:13
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| well good news. i think. hopefully all will clear up over the next few weeks. |
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Gingerpony
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 14:05:47
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very good prices! our 1st consults at work are £23.50 then there's any meds on top....
will check out your thread on the dark side MC, i'm also confused as to some of the advice the vet gave you  particularly in respect of this particular species.... |
Dumerils boas, BCO hybrids, Sinder Hypo boas, cornsnakes, ratsnakes, Day Geckos
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MissCat
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 22:05:43
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After a chat with several people on the dark side and a LONG conversation on the phone with one person in particular, the following is the advice I will be following, instead of the vets advice.
*Rub housing
*newspaper or kitchen roll substrate
*hot end at 92*f
*small water bowl big enough for him to drink from but not big enough for him to bathe in- in warm end of rub
*bathe the scab neck in 50% povidene iodine- then leave for 5 mins
*apply aloe vera cream + savlon
*cover with clingfilm to prevent him from rubbing it off- leave for 1 hour. Do this twice daily.
*use WLW's vicks method for R.I - continue this for 10 days AFTER symptoms clear up
*once per day, give the 0.1ml baytril (as well as topping it up to 1ml with water)
*MAY put a blob of ky jelly on eyecaps to help get them off
*wait for him to shed and aid where necessary (i.e where the scab neck is)
*May attempt to use damp tissue and small amount of handwash soap to soften and remove the remaining skin- but will probably leave it for now.
In reference to the scab neck...even though the vet was not bothered with his skin, I have been shown evidence, as well as given an extremely accurate description of a condition called scab neck (that's not the proper term for it though) I remain convinced that that is one thing that is wrong with him.
I did not take the decision to partially ignore the vets advice on a whim, it was after some very long and serious conversations with several, highly experienced and very trustworthy people.
I feel that the vets advice was not entirely appropriate, though I will take full responsibility if my actions result in the death of my snake, however I am confident that provided I carry out the "action plan" strictly and to the letter, he will make a full recovery.
Interesting fact for those who have not seen the dark side thread...someone else took their royal to teh same vets as me, had virtually the same outcome and got the same medication and it all cost £20 more than it cost me.
Also, the vet I saw is not a qualified REPTILE vet- if that makes as much difference to you as it has to me, considering I was informed that he was The "reptile specialist" by the receptionist.
If you have any questions about the diagnosis or my choice, please feel free to ask away. :) |
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spor
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/04/2010 : 00:49:31
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thank goodness it was not just me. I did feel that some off the advice given by the vet seemed a bit strange. and was doubting their experience. But did not feel confident enough to say any thing.
good luck with it cat. |
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Blackecho
Royal Python Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/04/2010 : 06:57:22
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| Keep us updated Cat, I too was a little bemused by the vet's diagnosis. Fingers crossed for you. |
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lee2308
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/04/2010 : 11:13:06
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| I know its not local but you need to see polly at highcroft vets in bristol,you wont get no lame answers from her,she IS a specialist rep vet and also works for bristol zoo. |
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yea okay- very flipping worried now.
