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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
 Posted - 27/01/2012 : 01:13:03
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Hi,
Now only Feanor hissed at me while his eyes were opaque, I picked him up with no strikes etc.
What i'm really asking is that I read the thread that asks whether snakes have memories and the general opinion was that they don't: that they live in the moment.
Intelligence kind of concluded that a snake lives by instinct, that they don't reason or process thoughts like mankind.
So to move on to my query, by those conclusions, if a snake hisses when approached in his viv, if you pick him up regardless does that snake register the fact that you are the boss, you aren't afraid, and that shows of aggression will not work.
Or in doing so the only thing accomplished is boosting self confidence for future encounters? |
Peoples Of Middle Earth:
Bert (Staffy) , named after Tolkien's stone Troll
Popeye, African Grey
Gimli (Son Of Gloin), Baby Beardie
Slinky, Baby Royal Python
Fëanor..Baby Mexican Common Boa
Casper 2011 Male Ghost Corn Snake **RIP**
Hoard of Orcs (Dubia Roach Colony)
Pearl & Ivory--African Giant Albino Land Snails
Ra, Taiwanese Beauty Snake
Henry, Western Hognose *Missing*
Pippin, Coastal X Diamond Carpet Python
Elanor, Pastel Royal
Timmy, Western Hognose
Flake, Calico male royal, Eowyn, Arabesque Boa |
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austin_89
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1248 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 08:41:01
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Hi  that's a good question
From what I've been told, if you choose not to pick them up when/if they hiss,strike or try to look threatening they will know that using fear or aggression makes you leave them alone but if you pick them up regardless of all that then they learn that they cant scare you off... But i dunno if this is the case with all snakes, I had trouble with my royal striking at me which really put me off picking him up so he did it more often but now that I've started picking him up he's fine with me.  |
1.1.0 Normal Royal Pythons... Kane (CF11) + Frankie (CB11)
1.0.0 Spider Royal Python (CB13)
1.0.0 100% het kahl albino boa Dexter (CB13)
1.0.0 Butter Corn...
0.1.0 Snow Corn... Alice
0.1.0 Red Harlequin Crested Gecko... Charlie
0.1.0 Albino Leopard Gecko... Cleo
1.1.0 African Green Mantis
1.0.0 Staffy... Alfie
1.1.0 Cats... Ebony and DK
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Posted - 27/01/2012 : 12:47:10
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Hi, I think both - the snake calms as soon as you pick it up (usually) and you gain confidence - also the snake enjoys the armchair walkies afterwards - they must have some memory/awareness/instinct that this is fun, or why would they bang on the viv window wanting to come out?
As you know my Ziska is rather a one (although her wild relatives pretend to be rattlesnakes so it's in her nature.) A big breakthrough came one day when we went through the usual ritual: I went to pick her up, she struck at me (headbutts or velcro bites) - but this time she backed off. (Oh, you again is it?) Lol. |
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 12:52:49
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So have we established that snakes are indeed intelligent?
Not only pure instinct, as afterall nobody can say that being picked up, held and cuddled is natural for a snake :) |
Peoples Of Middle Earth:
Bert (Staffy) , named after Tolkien's stone Troll
Popeye, African Grey
Gimli (Son Of Gloin), Baby Beardie
Slinky, Baby Royal Python
Fëanor..Baby Mexican Common Boa
Casper 2011 Male Ghost Corn Snake **RIP**
Hoard of Orcs (Dubia Roach Colony)
Pearl & Ivory--African Giant Albino Land Snails
Ra, Taiwanese Beauty Snake
Henry, Western Hognose *Missing*
Pippin, Coastal X Diamond Carpet Python
Elanor, Pastel Royal
Timmy, Western Hognose
Flake, Calico male royal, Eowyn, Arabesque Boa |
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austin_89
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1248 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 13:03:51
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Mine has never banged on his viv to come out  the only time he's banged on his viv doors was to try and bite me!
I think they do live in the moment but i've read about snakes that have had preferences as to who they like and who they don't: liking one of their owners but not the other, that sort of thing. But i think they do have memories... |
1.1.0 Normal Royal Pythons... Kane (CF11) + Frankie (CB11)
1.0.0 Spider Royal Python (CB13)
1.0.0 100% het kahl albino boa Dexter (CB13)
1.0.0 Butter Corn...
0.1.0 Snow Corn... Alice
0.1.0 Red Harlequin Crested Gecko... Charlie
0.1.0 Albino Leopard Gecko... Cleo
1.1.0 African Green Mantis
1.0.0 Staffy... Alfie
1.1.0 Cats... Ebony and DK
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Posted - 27/01/2012 : 13:24:03
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When I got my first corn hatchlings, I expected a creature, very nice to look at and just plain awesome simply because it was a snake, but with the personality of a terrestrial guppy ...how wrong I was!
From day one they impressed me with their intelligence, curiosity, quirkiness ...lol well I'm just in love with snakes I have to admit.
Aww, Austin, never fear, he'll be asking for armchair walkies sooner or later - snakes know when they're on to a good thing! |
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austin_89
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1248 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 14:55:48
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I've gotta admit I've always been absolutely fascinated with snakes, ever since i was a kid I've watched animal planet and all them sorts of programmes, and its my zodiac sign A couple of years ago i finally got a corn snake then 9 months later it died :( but now i have Kane and he's lovely
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1.1.0 Normal Royal Pythons... Kane (CF11) + Frankie (CB11)
1.0.0 Spider Royal Python (CB13)
1.0.0 100% het kahl albino boa Dexter (CB13)
1.0.0 Butter Corn...
0.1.0 Snow Corn... Alice
0.1.0 Red Harlequin Crested Gecko... Charlie
0.1.0 Albino Leopard Gecko... Cleo
1.1.0 African Green Mantis
1.0.0 Staffy... Alfie
1.1.0 Cats... Ebony and DK
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austin_89
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1248 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 16:44:45
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| Sorry Janie didn't see your post I'd say there intelligent to a certain degree yeah! |
1.1.0 Normal Royal Pythons... Kane (CF11) + Frankie (CB11)
1.0.0 Spider Royal Python (CB13)
1.0.0 100% het kahl albino boa Dexter (CB13)
1.0.0 Butter Corn...
0.1.0 Snow Corn... Alice
0.1.0 Red Harlequin Crested Gecko... Charlie
0.1.0 Albino Leopard Gecko... Cleo
1.1.0 African Green Mantis
1.0.0 Staffy... Alfie
1.1.0 Cats... Ebony and DK
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 17:10:57
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It seems true enough more handling does calm a aggressive snake down :)
however i'm not sure banging on the glass can be linked to them enjoying being held. |
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Posted - 27/01/2012 : 17:35:01
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Well my lot do when they ask for armchair walkies - and Ziska really does bang hard on the glass with her nose, even when I'm at the other side of the room.
I open the door and a pleased snake falls out ...ready for armchair walkies! |
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reptilemadd
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
969 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 17:39:11
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| I know I was a big voice on the other thread but I agree with kelf on this particular topic (banging on the glass) since I am a beardie owner and It has to be said that they can tap on the glass like their lives depended on it, and after asking a few fellow owners what it was all about the conclusion was they weren't very bright because they'd never come across glass before and couldn't work out why since they could see through it that they couldn't walk through it. Then instead of being excited when we open the door like we think they are, I think they're just relieved that the invisible barrier has gone and they can be on their merry way... |
1.0.0 beardie "magic"
1.1.0 100% Het Clown "Cerberus" and "Artemis"
0.1.0 Poss Calico "Ariadne"
1.0.0 Lesser " Kronos"
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Posted - 27/01/2012 : 17:49:58
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...And then they enjoy their armchair walkies ... |
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reptilemadd
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
969 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 18:12:36
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 Ok BATS you win they enjoy their armchair walkies lmao |
1.0.0 beardie "magic"
1.1.0 100% Het Clown "Cerberus" and "Artemis"
0.1.0 Poss Calico "Ariadne"
1.0.0 Lesser " Kronos"
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JanieW
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
2279 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 18:16:12
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| Oh My Rep..that sounded exactly how Steve sounds when he's being sarcastic LOL |
Peoples Of Middle Earth:
Bert (Staffy) , named after Tolkien's stone Troll
Popeye, African Grey
Gimli (Son Of Gloin), Baby Beardie
Slinky, Baby Royal Python
Fëanor..Baby Mexican Common Boa
Casper 2011 Male Ghost Corn Snake **RIP**
Hoard of Orcs (Dubia Roach Colony)
Pearl & Ivory--African Giant Albino Land Snails
Ra, Taiwanese Beauty Snake
Henry, Western Hognose *Missing*
Pippin, Coastal X Diamond Carpet Python
Elanor, Pastel Royal
Timmy, Western Hognose
Flake, Calico male royal, Eowyn, Arabesque Boa |
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Posted - 27/01/2012 : 18:23:39
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Originally posted by reptilemadd
Ok BATS you win they enjoy their armchair walkies lmao
Yeah right ...and they do. And mine seem pretty bright to me ... |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 18:32:14
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| Lol i'll believe you BATs if you put your happy little snake wanting armchair walkies on the floor take three steps back and she comes to you xD |
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Posted - 27/01/2012 : 18:37:31
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Oh yeah, right, so I'm thick too?
I'll leave it to you young male experts in future eh? |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 19:01:45
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| I had an ex once who was 100% sure she could call her snake with her voice lol |
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markmifsud
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 19:14:53
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Originally posted by BurnedAtTheStake
Oh yeah, right, so I'm thick too?
I'll leave it to you young male experts in future eh?
aww BATS, dont take it to heart. You know in your mind how your snakes are, just because you feel they enjoy coming out doesnt mean that they dont enjoy it. My two pastals are always together considering snakes have no feelings and prefer their own company |
1.1.0 Pastal Ball
1.0.0 Normal Ball aged 7(ish)
0.1.0 Normal Ball aged 7(ish)
Bromley. SE London |
Edited by - markmifsud on 27/01/2012 19:15:11 |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
4803 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 19:31:15
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Oh didn't realize bat's was upset.
Sorry bats. Xx |
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reptilemadd
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
969 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2012 : 20:07:55
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So you should be Kelf I would never do anything like that allllthoughhhhhhhhhh hahahahaha.....
P.S You know we love you Bats and I'm sure they do like their walkies xx |
1.0.0 beardie "magic"
1.1.0 100% Het Clown "Cerberus" and "Artemis"
0.1.0 Poss Calico "Ariadne"
1.0.0 Lesser " Kronos"
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