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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29/03/2013 : 16:08:40
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Previous shed was hopeless but conditions were better this time round so was hoping that the retained eye-cap from last time would come off.
However the shed was very itty-bitty and to be honest I couldn't find the head-piece all as a helmet.
On close inspection it's possible there is a double retained eye-cap:
Now what's the best method to try and remove this?
I've got some of this stuff
And it says that for retained eye caps 'spray directly onto eye cap. (will not hurt reptile's eyes).
Well I did that before and didn't get any result so this time round I thought I'd try with a cotton bud.
I read in the eye cap removal thread that visco-tears is recommended- or should I just be using warm water? Presumably it's okay to gently hold her head still while I'm doing the semi-circular rubbing?
Many thanks
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2013 : 16:32:42
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| I'd say that has got to as stage where it needs removing by a reptile specialist vet. It looks sore. |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2013 : 17:00:44
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Thanks for the response Lotabob.
As it happens I've just picked up some Viscotears from the chemist. Should I bother trying or should I do you reckon I should just take her to vet directly?
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hodgie
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1197 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2013 : 17:01:45
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Originally posted by frambo
Previous shed was hopeless but conditions were better this time round so was hoping that the retained eye-cap from last time would come off.
However the shed was very itty-bitty and to be honest I couldn't find the head-piece all as a helmet.
Sounds like your humidity levels are far to low. |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2013 : 17:11:19
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Originally posted by hodgie
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Originally posted by frambo
Previous shed was hopeless but conditions were better this time round so was hoping that the retained eye-cap from last time would come off.
However the shed was very itty-bitty and to be honest I couldn't find the head-piece all as a helmet.
Sounds like your humidity levels are far to low.
Thanks Hodgie but that's the thing, normal humidity levels are around 55% and in shed I up it to over 90%. I've got a sneaking feeling that last time round it could have been due to the fact that there was no abrasive surface for her to get started on- as somehow or the other her rough-rock had got covered by substrate / she just wasn't interested in it.
However as of now, I believe I am right in thinking that as she is not in a state of shed, the humidity level of approximately 55% shouldn't be increased as that is optimum for all non-shedding periods?
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/03/2013 : 19:00:51
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They don't need abrasive surfaces to shed. My corn almost always pushes his head against the smooth viv sides.
I'd be tempted to not try anything myself if this is the second one to get stuck unless you're sure of what you are doing (I'm not) and the way the eye looks almost pulled forward in the picture would suggest to me that the old skin is pulling on the eyecap. If you've a good local shop they've probably dealt with this sort of thing loads of times so they could help but I personally would have that to a vet. |
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/03/2013 : 19:38:17
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| Aye as Bob says this has got to the point where I'd intervene on a more physical level - if you've never manually removed a retained eye shed before don't start now but best getting him/her to a vet or specialist shop and see how it's done. |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2013 : 23:09:45
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Thanks for replies guys
Have put a little drop of visco tears on a few hours ago and is now looking better but clearly not off. Just less dry.
Will take her to my local and very thorough reptile vet tomorrow (saturday) morning however if, worst case scenario they're closed for Easter weekend, presumably this is something that I can leave till Monday? |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
5008 Posts |
Posted - 29/03/2013 : 23:37:37
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| Keeping it moist with the visco tears will help. It may even make the eyecap come away but I wouldn't touch it with anything more than a cotton bud and even then with no pressure at all just to see if its moving. Your helpful reptile shop should hopefully be able to help if you have to get physical. |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 30/03/2013 : 13:51:24
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| Due to Easter, earliest appointment with the rep vet is Tuesday which I've taken. In mean time, she's looking much better this mornig, it's still there but can now see through it. Cheers |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/03/2013 : 16:29:42
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| Good luck. I'm sure that a few days won't hurt, just keep it moist and it should make it easier for them to remove (if it doesn't come off of its own accord). Let us know ow you get on. |
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/03/2013 : 03:02:29
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| Good luck at the vets :) |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2013 : 00:11:06
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| Thanks, will post here once I've had her at the vets! |
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2013 : 18:26:59
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After applying viscotears twice a day for a couple of days now, it's much, much better. Under normaly conditions it's not at all noticeable now but it's still there- vet tomorrow.
There's quite a lot of glare which makes it look worse than it really is but that's a good thing because it highlights the retained shed.
Out of interest, how is he likely to remove it? Just hold her head and rub it off with something?
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boomslang
Old Royal - I Post too much!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/04/2013 : 22:09:52
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Shame you didn't try the viscotears and shed aid stuff before he last shed.It might have come off with the last shed.
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Out of interest, how is he likely to remove it? Just hold her head and rub it off with something?
No idea :P but let us know how you get on :)
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 15:32:40
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UPDATE:
Just got back from the vets. He tried for about 10 minutes but said that they were still pretty dry and stuck on. Whilst he could have tried using forceps or 'a small type of metal scraper' we both agreed that she isn't at that stage yet and as it happens she's due to have another shed in a couple of weeks.
However, he did say that it seemed like the visco tears had already got one layer off so hopefully the second layer should come off soon- he said to keep them well hydrated and to try teasing them off with cotton wool.
Will let you know if I manage to get them off!
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Kelfezond
The bearded one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/04/2013 : 15:34:23
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Heres hoping you didn't have to pay too much for that advice!
Goodluck Frambo! |
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Baobab
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
1393 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 17:10:46
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| Hope it works out on the next shed. |
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Lotabob
Royal Python Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/04/2013 : 17:14:35
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| Ok, great that the vet doesn't consider it serious. A small tip that someone gave to me is a rubber finger (behave), the type you use to count money or turn pages, gives a small mount of grip while still giving you control of pressure etc, if the eyecap is moist enough and detached enough then gently rubbing the eye (very very gently, you don't want to collapse the eyecap) should make it peel away and the rubber is soft enough to not damage anything. |
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Baobab
Fully Grown Royal
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/04/2013 : 17:49:34
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| Hope it works out on the next shed. |
Royal 8.0 - Piebald (Dipstick), Calico (Flake), Pinstripe (Copper), Kingpin het Hypo (Gabriel), Soulsucker (Morgoth), Clown (Ziggy), Phantom (Spook), Enchi( Stenchi) .................Royal 0.12 - Pastel (Elanor), Spider (Willow), Normal het pied (Loki),, Pastel Sterling Orange Hypo (Misty), Normal (WC parents) (Cinders), Pewter (Tinuviel), Yellowbelly (Kaiko), Mojave (Milly), Champagne (Bubbles), Fire (Flame), Karma paradox (Smudge), Amoretti (Rita).Boa's 2.2.1- Eowyn (common), Snuggles (BCC), Bonnie (BCC), Bear (BCL) & Baileys (Kahl strain)..........Western Hognose 0.0.2 - Timmy & Henry.
Coastal*diamond carpet python 0.0.1- Pippin.........Brazilian Rainbow Boa 0.0.1 - Badger..........Granite Burmese 0.1 - Sally
Reticulated python 2.2 - Saru (purple albino), Cheesy (Sunfire albino white), Titan (Platinum Titanium) & Gala (Sunfiretiger het albino)......Rat snake 1.0 Remmy.
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frambo
Yearling
United Kingdom
228 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2013 : 13:14:25
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Thanks for the responses guys. She is looking infinitely better now and Bob I'm going to try using a cotton bud today... vet showed me how. Unfortunately, I am not the proud owner of a rubber finger haha.
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